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No:19

Allosaur, Rappel Anchor - Application Comments

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YI did the route last week and it was a little unsettling to rap off the webbing on the top both because of the appearance of the webbing and the rock around which it was tied
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NClimbing is not an activity of convenience, especially in Eldo. There are other options that work just fine. If you want everything to be safe and convenient go sport climbing.
YWebbing anchors are both and unsightly and inherently more dangerous than fixed/bolted anchors. If this also assists in preventing trail erosion then it is definitely the right thing to do for the long term benefit of Eldo and the climbers that visit it.
NWhy?
NI oppose the Allosaur bolt anchor, and support the Vertigo top anchor relocation, not sure how my vote on the Vertigo anchor ended up being counted on Allosaur instead....
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NSimply not needed as there are other options nearby.
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NCould someone tell us the problem with threaded slings? Slings can be replaced when needed. You don't feel safe with slings? Remove the junk and add your own sling or descend elsewhere. In response to the unsightly argument I must ask: who is put-off by the slings? Other than climbers, who can see the slings? The premise that climbers are offended holds no water. Witness the abundance of chalk throughout the canyon. Seems like we are catering to an decreasingly lower and lowest common denominator.
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NThere is really no need for these anchors as there are plenty of options here. folks have been doing fine on this for many years.
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NPeople have been climbing this route for 34 years without much difficulty descending. Safe and ample descent options currently exist. I don't see a compelling reason for anchors.
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NThere are other options here. If the new Wingshot rap anchor goes in as proposed, it will be best to simply use those.
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YGreat idea!
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YI could be totally wrong about this, but it seems like last time I did this we just downclimbed to the lower bolts shown in the picture. In general my opinion is that we shouldn't provide bolt anchors in place of reasonable downclimbs. But... regardless of whether it is practical to downclimb, the fact seems to be that many choose to rap on slings, and a thoughtfully-implemented bolt anchor is a better idea.
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YSketchy tree belay station
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Ygood idea
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N... are they rap anchors or bolts for top roping? Leave them be and go to Shelf.
YThis anchor will improve safety and aesthetics on this portion of the wall.
NYou can descend via other ways, fixed anchors. I find the "replaces a sling" an uncompelling justification. In order to invoke this for any desired anchor, I must simply put a sling there, or a batch of them, then wait a few months and viola! Justification for bolts...
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YSince this is replacing a wad of slings, it isn't a proliferation of rappel anchors. I have always done the descent to the east and it is indeed an erosion problem. This anchor is cheaper than building a trail there.
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NIt seems, more often, that, not only do you have to wait for a slow party to finish a route, now you should wait for them to rappel too.
YDitto what Tod said.
YReplacing unsightly and unsafe webbing rappels with metal anchors is always a good idea.
YWhy not improve safety on an often used rap route?
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YAllosaur is a popular route. A permanent bolted rap anchor makes sense here.
YSeems like a good solution to either the webbing proliferation or unfriendly descent to the east. Allosaur gets enough traffic that this is justified.
YCurrent anchor difficult to locate and access, especially late in the day.
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NI think the existing anchor atop blues power/wingshot is pretty rapid to get to, the routes below are not too popular and it works just fine.
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NThe anchor on top of Wingshot works - why the un-necessary proliferation of rap anchors?
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YSounds like a good idea.
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